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#38256 - 04/22/10 12:19 AM wow. I've done it now!
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All right. Be prepared for a rambling and unfocused problem. I've pulled this old laptop out from under the bed, got it all charged up and it's back in action as the primary distraction.

my imac is soooo fucked.

Software update has been pestering me for days, so I finally gave in and let it do it's thing. I'm thinking to myself "update software, play some eve, make dinner, play some eve, go to bed and wake up for mcds breakfast". Never shall it be so! My computer told me that some update didn't install properly, I remember it saying at least 3 things, one of them a firmware update, the other two I don't recall. I figure, oh, ok. Well, this is probably important, but I'll just restart to see if it fixes itself, if it doesn't I'll probably get the same error box and then I'll call apple.

I restart, and get the grey apple logo screen, with a perpetual little animated gear, spinning, spinning, gah.

It's like that for a while.

I power off, power on. Grey, apple & gear. BLAH.

I use my iphone to google up some stuff. I try holding shift down for safe mode. that's not happening. I look around for my install cds or something that came with the computer. They're not locatable. I struggle through the apple help site on that tiny little screen, I get a phone-call, I stay on hold. I'm thoroughly peeved I'm not flying around in my internet spaceship being blown up. I get a bro, he suggests the shift thing. he suggests the install cd thing. He suggests I hold command-S, which gets a rad CMI

/sbin/fsck -fy is entered, per instruction.

Takes about 13.5 minutes for it to run, it fixes some errors or something. I reboot. grey screen. I reboot holding command-S and run the identical command. 3.5 minutes this time, no errors. I reboot. Grey screen. Dude tells me that I'm going to need those cds, and that there's a possibility that I'd have to erase everything and install new.

WTFHFML.

I'm going to show up at the applestore tomorrow, to at least use their discs or whatever, maybe have someone who is hands-on figure some shit out or dangle it so that I won't lose my data (I'd be so bummed out).

I'm wondering if anyone has any idea what the hell happened?
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#38257 - 04/22/10 06:11 AM Re: wow. I've done it now! [Re: SinVulture_]
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If using a wired keyboard then hold down Option as soon as you hear the boot chime. The way you're describing it it sounds like startup isn't locating a blessed system install to boot from. The just as likely cause is the failed firmware update hosed something. Without more info I can't say much more. If it's under warranty then take it to the local Apple Store but be sure to reserve a slot at the Genius Bar online first.
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#38258 - 04/22/10 06:36 AM Re: wow. I've done it now! [Re: Trekkie]
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You have a failed hard drive. Hope you have a backup.
It might not be a partition failure, but you likely have enough reallocated sectors that it can't install updates or boot your OS.
You can potentially get by with a re-install (archive/install if you're still on 10.5) without erasing your data, but that will likely only stall the inevitable total drive failure.

If you have a warranty and a backup, no problem, they'll fix it post-haste.
If you have no warranty, prepare to spend 300-400 bucks through apple, or 100-200 through an ASP
If you have no backup, prepare to spend between 0-1500 bucks to recover your data on top of whatever else I said above.

If you have an external hard drive and your system install disks, you can install a temporary system to an external drive and run your computer from the external to do some additional diagnostics, but it appears that you've already got plans to take it to an apple store. I can only pray the people you talk to are competent and know what a failed sector is.
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#38260 - 04/22/10 06:50 AM Re: wow. I've done it now! [Re: The Tony]
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The other possibility is that through your pre-mentioned partition error that was corrected, you had a hosed operating system that didn't reveal itself until you tried to run some updates. There's a possibility your hard drive is fine, in which case a re-install of your OS should do it.
Don't hold your breath for this possibility though, it's unlikely.
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#38263 - 04/22/10 11:24 AM Re: wow. I've done it now! [Re: The Tony]
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The above advice is excellent! We are lucky to have these guys around. The below advice is terrible, do not follow it at any cost. Below advice is provided for entertainment purposes only.

But Devon, Devo, bro, this is what you do. Do you have a tenant's package insurance policy? If not, get one. Make sure you get Replacement Cost endorsement, schedule the imac, describe it as better than it was even, just make sure you tell your broker that you have the computer so he can either schedule or waive computer limitations if applicable. Then rob yourself, make a fake police report, and claim for a new computer. If executed correctly, you'll have a brand-spanking-new imac with all the trimmings in the mail. All for the low low cost of $500 and a little footwork.

Again, purely for entertainment purposes. I do NOT condone nor recommend the above actions ;\)

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#38264 - 04/22/10 01:34 PM Re: wow. I've done it now! [Re: Jaco]
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I ended up buying an external drive @ the apple store (probably over-paid), backed it up right there, and then they did a clean install.

SUCH A PAIN IN THE ASS. Now I've got this data--oh shit. I just realized that while I copied everything I could see and knew I couldn't just download again, but I didn't copy the things I couldn't see. WTF invisible files, why must you be invisible. Anyway, I've got this data on an external drive, I suppose I just have to copy it back and I should be about 75% recovered. I guess I just lost a bunch of logs that were invisible and I didn't copy.

The genius guy commented that I had a lot of music. Then he tried to talk to me about SC2.
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#38267 - 04/22/10 05:34 PM Re: wow. I've done it now! [Re: SinVulture_]
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I fuckin' love McDonald's breakfast!
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#38268 - 04/22/10 07:03 PM Re: wow. I've done it now! [Re: harley]
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Order of hot cakes, sausage biscuit, hash browns and a small OJ.
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#38269 - 04/22/10 09:32 PM Re: wow. I've done it now! [Re: Trekkie]
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I like the mcgriddle with bacon personally. And a sausage mcmuffin if I'm extra hungry.
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#38271 - 04/22/10 10:27 PM Re: wow. I've done it now! [Re: harley]
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So was I right? What was the verdict?
And I'm not a fan of breakfast meat and maple syrup. mcgriddle's, therefore, don't work for me.

Devon, if you're up and running now, send me an IM or something however you can, I'd love to do some additional investigation into your computer. My IM is misterbilzi

I don't trust anyone more than myself.
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#38272 - 04/22/10 10:43 PM Re: wow. I've done it now! [Re: The Tony]
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They don't know what the fuck it was!
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#38273 - 04/22/10 10:45 PM Re: wow. I've done it now! [Re: SinVulture_]
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They don't... but I do.
I know EVERYTHING!
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#38274 - 04/23/10 04:08 AM Re: wow. I've done it now! [Re: The Tony]
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I don't know how anyone can eat those McGriddles. Just seeing one almost caused me to have the runs. Those salads are pretty good though.

When you guys do your little chat thing hit me up so I can be there to tell Tony he's doing it wrong. :P
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#38275 - 04/23/10 09:11 AM Re: wow. I've done it now! [Re: Trekkie]
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I'm not a fan of McDonald's.

I'm not much of a fan for fast food, actually, except when there's little or nothing else to eat and I want something to eat NOW.

I was going to suggest you get another hard drive and try installing on that and see if it worked. But you've already solved your original issue. So congrats and sorries and stuff. When I get a bad hard drive, I almost never wipe the original so if I ever need to pull more data, I can at least try.

I'm liking my contacts so far.
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#38277 - 04/23/10 09:51 AM Re: wow. I've done it now! [Re: Trekkie]
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 Originally Posted By: Trekkie
When you guys do your little chat thing hit me up so I can be there to tell Tony he's doing it wrong. :P


You would too! His drive actually was fine. He just had a jacked partition. Although they probably could have just reinstalled instead of wiping everything, it still got the job done.
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#38283 - 04/25/10 01:31 AM Re: wow. I've done it now! [Re: harley]
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 Originally Posted By: The Tony

I don't trust anyone more than myself.

Fuck yeah.


 Originally Posted By: harley
I fuckin' love McDonald's breakfast!
 Originally Posted By: Trekkie
Order of hot cakes, sausage biscuit, hash browns and a small OJ.
 Originally Posted By: harley
I like the mcgriddle with bacon personally. And a sausage mcmuffin if I'm extra hungry.


You guys eat breakfast? Bunch of greedy fat-kids

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#38285 - 04/25/10 07:46 PM Re: wow. I've done it now! [Re: Jaco]
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If I get mcdonalds breakfast, which is about once every two-three weeks and at most a month, I just get an egg mcmuffin sans ham.

If I'm hungry, I'll get the #1 meal sans ham.
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#38287 - 04/26/10 04:18 AM Re: wow. I've done it now! [Re: SinVulture_]
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When the hell did you go all durka durka Muhammad?
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#38288 - 04/26/10 10:14 AM Re: wow. I've done it now! [Re: Trekkie]
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You veggie Devo?
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#38290 - 04/26/10 01:46 PM Re: wow. I've done it now! [Re: Jaco]
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Fat kids are great at rolling around in the mud.

Me, I prefer to jump around and laugh my head off.
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#38333 - 05/08/10 12:43 AM Re: wow. I've done it now! [Re: tA-Kane]
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pescatarian. UPDATE: my hard-drive has failed, with tony's help troubleshooting (after crashing for like the eight time playing sc2, and my computer getting totally flommoxed) it has been taken in to have the thing replaced. hopefully tomorrow night I will be able to play sc2 without crashing every second or third game.
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#38334 - 05/08/10 02:04 AM Re: wow. I've done it now! [Re: SinVulture_]
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Didn't you just take it in for repairs?
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#38335 - 05/08/10 02:15 AM Re: wow. I've done it now! [Re: Trekkie]
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yeah, they couldn't identify the problem three weeks ago, and did a clean install.
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#38336 - 05/08/10 02:32 AM Re: wow. I've done it now! [Re: SinVulture_]
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Guess they've never heard of S.M.A.R.T. TechTool Pro probably would have figured it out.
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#38338 - 05/08/10 10:11 PM Re: wow. I've done it now! [Re: Trekkie]
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SMART doesn't always catch failures. I've had multiple hard drives completely die on me without a peep from SMART.
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