#38182 - 03/26/10 02:16 AM
Re: Health Care, bitchesssss
[Re: +Solistus]
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Trekkie
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Registered: 06/18/00
Posts: 5296
Loc: Houston, TX
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I'm done debating health care on fucking PW, I'll just respond to the new list of personal snipes.
But I thought you refused to get dragged into a debate?
re: banning comment: whatever, just you trying to rules lawyer then giving it up when called out. Ban me if you like, that would be really amusing. Almost as amusing as you suggesting it's yet another sign of my immaturity or stupidity that I didn't realise that comment wasn't directed at me (even though you basically clarified that it was directed at me by further criticizing my "trolling" as against the rules), then also acted like it was my fault for YOU thinking the "Stalinists" comment, which was just a sarcastic side comment, was some personal attack at you. Cognitive dissonance much?
Both times it was damned obvious the comment was meant for you, no clarification needed. You're the one that got their panties in a wad, huffing and puffing over some great injustice. Stop acting like a child who had his toys taken away. And just how the hell does pointing out you're the one labeling yourself mean I'm taking it as a personal attack? That was the only thing I had to say on the matter until you came back with your lame ass 'it was meant for people not actually here' defense.
Character? Fuck off. No, I don't pretend to respect people when they say things I think are offensive and stupid. If I said I supported the holocaust would you not respect me less because of it? I don't buy your insinuations that refusing to acknowledge that politics is important makes you more mature. If someone openly supports the Republican minority at this phase in history, then no, I can't respect them.
Ahh, now I understand. When someone says something that you disagree with and have yet to counter you decide it's stupid and offensive. If you said you supported the Holocaust I would simply ask you to explain your reasoning, not denigrate you out of the gate. This has nothing to do with demonstrating maturity. It is funny that I haven't been sandbagging you for your vehement support of your "side" but your attitude is to insult those who might even consider opposing said "side." All you've proven is that you can't have a meaningful conversation with someone who disagrees with you. For example, Cube and I have differed on a few things in the past but here he asked me with a straightforward question to explain my reasoning. He didn't start off by calling my opinion stupid or opting to ignore it. When I answered his question he didn't respond with more so called gloating or insults.
You called them my side, said they would lose, and then said "see you at the polls my friend." The context to you going to the polls was saying "my side" (the Dems) would lose. Maybe it's not what you meant, but acting like it's my fault for "mis"interpreting this as you saying you would support the Republican congressional candidates over the Democratic congressional candidates is completely asinine.
My "see you at the polls" comment merely indicated that that is the final decider of things and I called them your side because you declared them as such. Don't jump up and down yelling your side won something and then decry others for opting to vote against your side. My response was simply born of your decision to paint those that would dare to oppose the true party as dimwits. You deliberately chose to take a narrow view and paint me as voting Republican party line damn well knowing what few options we have at the polls. Only someone keeping their head in the sand would not notice that public sentiment is turning further and further against the Democrats. Republicans in Congress may be saying some stupid things but it's the Democrats in Congress who are in charge and doing stupid things. Guess which one is more likely to feel the people's wrath.
I was just answering your claim that the UDHR didn't say what it obviously says. I don't care to debate the interpretation of that with you, but bashing me as if I don't know how international treaties work just shows you are more interested in finding excuses to call me wrong than understanding and responding to my points.
No. Your argument was that the UDHR was mainly a US creation based on a fallacy, which I succinctly proved to be wrong. You then try to assert that the UDHR is the rule of law in the US to which I prove incorrect.(Your tone indicates you're the one being defensive.) Explaining how a particular piece of the UN works and how medical care is but one of many pieces of an adequate standard of living just signifies the flaws underpinning your argument, not bashing you. Even when asked to provide evidence supporting your position the best you can do is mention a SotU speech and proceed to go 'but, but, but.' When you switched gears to claiming the US doesn't live up to a specific article I called you out yet again.
ah rah rah, USA? You don't know me at all, clearly. Lulz.
And clearly reading comprehension fails you. I refer you to the operative part of that quote: "if I didn't know any better."
As for the Stalinists comment. The point of this thread was TO GLOAT IN RESPONSE TO REPUBLICAN FUCKTARDS SAYING CRAZY SHIT. Is it really so hard to grasp, in that context, why I might make a comment that referred to someone I disagree with *other than* you?
Is it really so hard to grasp the concept that this wasn't the place to do it since there aren't any REPUBLICAN FUCKTARDS SAYING CRAZY SHIT here? In your own words you've said it wasn't meant for us so why bring it here at all? Do you maybe now understand why I said your original post was better suited for Twitter, the internet's repository of mostly brain dead and useless ramblings, and not a thread on c-m?
I'm done here for real now, feel free to post another long list of personal attacks that apparently scream of 'character' to you. I'm done, here and on c-m in general for a while. Apparently I'm a bad admin who deserves to be banned for insulting Trekkie on PW, anyway, so consider this a temporary(?) self-ban. Feel free to post about why that, too, proves you to have superior character and all that crap. There are too few people here I still actually enjoy interacting with and pretty much all of them use FB. Peace, all.
Not that it means anything at this point but I'm revoking your admin status. I hate doing it under these conditions but you've demonstrated multiple times in this thread that different rules apply to you then apply to others. Acting as if you're some kind of arbiter on what kind of discussion can or can't be had about a topic you started solely because you don't want to debate is actually asinine. Instead of offering counter arguments you chose to just dance around the edges, throw up straw men and make pointless accusations. Like I previously said, the Psycho Ward doesn't exist to sidestep the forum rules nor does it allow you to be a prick. Your posts reek of someone who was arguing from emotion and not reason, thus why you took every rebuttal as a personal slight. The reason I refrain from ever getting into a serious discussion on these forums is because too many people get butt hurt when their presumptions are challenged, behavior you've just exhibited for everyone. Enjoy feeling good about yourself over taking a nonexistent high road during your self-imposed banishment.
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Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote. - Benjamin Franklin
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#38184 - 03/26/10 05:48 PM
Re: Health Care, bitchesssss
[Re: The Tony]
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Jaco
Rehab
Registered: 06/19/00
Posts: 10677
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The problem was never lack of insurance, the problem was/is health-care being prohibitively expensive (to the point that you need to buy insurance).
What bugs me the most are the "12 year old with cancer denied coverage" stories that have been popping up like mad. Insurance companies deny coverage only where there is no coverage. Asking them to cover somebody after the fact, is as Tony said, fraudulent. It's the insurance company's fault only as much as it is everybody else's with money that isn't gonna gift it to this kid.
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#38189 - 03/29/10 03:22 PM
Re: Health Care, bitchesssss
[Re: Trekkie]
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Jaco
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Registered: 06/19/00
Posts: 10677
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You're the central problem Jaco
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#38191 - 03/30/10 12:41 PM
Re: Health Care, bitchesssss
[Re: Jaco]
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tA-Kane
Crack Baby
Registered: 01/30/01
Posts: 2272
Loc: Sugar Land, TX, USA
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*giggles*
If you can't afford insurance because you're poor, do you really consider it fraudulent to try to get coverage after you're diagnosed with something? Suppose, for example, that preventative care for your car is so so expensive that you cannot afford a simple oil change because it's not the $40 that it should be (cost of parts and cost of labor) but instead is $400 (cost of parts, cost of labor, cost of royalties to companies who don't need them, cost of checking your engine to make sure it really needs an oil change (and another royalty to the same company for the same thing), cost of even more labor, and last but not least... an additional fee because it's something that car insurance does not cover because it's something that should be done regularly). Fifty thousand miles down the road, your car's engine seizes because the oil's so horrible that it can't do proper heat transfer. Will insurance cover that? Sure, but now you're also looking at an insurance premium because you let it get that way!
For the rich, that $400 oil change isn't a problem. For the poor, that's half a paycheck right there. Mind you, it's *only* half a paycheck, right? The other half can go to everything else.
Half of that paycheck goes to your rent. Another half of your paycheck goes to food and utilities. Another half of your paycheck goes to insuring your transporation and medical bills. Another half goes to taxes.
That's exactly what a significant portion of the problem with health insurance is right now. Another significant portion is that you end up paying premiums and still have to pay out-of-pocket for visits before insurance pays for *anything*. Seriously, if the poor have trouble paying for insurance, do you really think they have the deductibles saved up so that insurance can cover what they're supposed to cover? Do you really think they can afford the co-pays? And that's only for one year! If you get really sick two years in a row, you have to pay out your deductible for the *same plan* twice!
Hate me all you want; call me socialist, call me communist, call me what you want... but I'm all for true universal healthcare where the rich pay for the poor.
Mind you, if you could come up with a reasonable way to punish the lazy while not punishing the poor, I'd probably be all for that too. I'm a hard worker. My dad's a hard worker. Some of my siblings are hard workers. Other members of my family are lazy fucks. Do I think all of them deserve healthcare? Honestly, not really. But do I think the ones who work hard and can't afford it deserve to be helped? Absolutely.
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#38225 - 04/14/10 11:53 AM
Re: Health Care, bitchesssss
[Re: Trekkie]
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Jaco
Rehab
Registered: 06/19/00
Posts: 10677
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I'm an insurance adjuster ==)
Just thought I'd throw that out there
I pretty much only do property losses, occasionally logging trucks
You say "sewer back up," I hear "$$$"
AAAAANNND!!
When I say Jaco, ya'll say rules!
Jaco!
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#38231 - 04/15/10 04:41 PM
Re: Health Care, bitchesssss
[Re: harley]
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Jaco
Rehab
Registered: 06/19/00
Posts: 10677
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Well, can I KICK IT ?
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#38233 - 04/15/10 10:23 PM
Re: Health Care, bitchesssss
[Re: harley]
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Jaco
Rehab
Registered: 06/19/00
Posts: 10677
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It's assumed that you say
"Yes you can!"
then I say
"Well, I'm gone."
then you say
"Go on then!"
Just something you're supposed to pick up along the way. =p Now you know what to say the next time someone asks you if they can kick it.
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#38234 - 04/15/10 10:24 PM
Re: Health Care, bitchesssss
[Re: Jaco]
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Jaco
Rehab
Registered: 06/19/00
Posts: 10677
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Oh yeah, it's A Tribe Called Quest, but the song is so classic that it's referenced in a stupid amount of music.
Can I kick it?
Yes you can!
Can I kick it?
Yes you can!
Can I kick it??
Yes you can!
Well I'm gone.
Go on then!
It's beautiful.
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#38235 - 04/16/10 12:39 AM
Re: Health Care, bitchesssss
[Re: Jaco]
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tA-Kane
Crack Baby
Registered: 01/30/01
Posts: 2272
Loc: Sugar Land, TX, USA
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Sounds like Bob The Kicker
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#38236 - 04/16/10 11:41 AM
Re: Health Care, bitchesssss
[Re: tA-Kane]
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Jaco
Rehab
Registered: 06/19/00
Posts: 10677
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Never heard of
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